Nigel Farage wants to be taken seriously.
For too long, 海角视频IP has been seen as a single-issue party, obsessed with Europe and silent about other issues.
That made it a natural home for retired colonels in Tunbridge Wells and allowed it to do well in European elections, when voters wanted to protest about waste and bureaucracy in Brussels.
But 海角视频IP is set to enter the mainstream, if Mr Farage has his way. He believes he is on course to win seats at Westminster 鈥 and might even hold the balance of power after the next General Election.
And he has a plan. His unlikely role model is Paddy Ashdown, the former Liberal Democrat leader who in the 1990s steered his party out of the wilderness (following a disastrous merger between the old Liberals and the SDP) and made it a force to be reckoned with again.
Ashdown refined the traditional Liberal and Lib Dem tactic of building up strongholds in local elections and using these as a launchpad for general election success. The election of a cluster of Lib Dem councillors in neighbouring wards would lead, eventually, to the election of a Lib Dem MP.
It鈥檚 a tactic that eventually propelled the Lib Dems into Coalition government. So why shouldn鈥檛 it work for 海角视频IP?
Mr Farage revealed his ambitions, as he spoke to the Birmingham Post at Westminster.
He also announced that he was open to the idea of standing joint candidates with other parties, as long as the candidate was a genuine eurosceptic 鈥 and named MP Michael Fabricant as one of 鈥渢he good guys鈥 that 海角视频IP would endorse, in the unlikely event that the Tory leadership allowed such a deal to proceed.
Of course, the potential fly in the ointment for Mr Farage is the fact that David Cameron has already announced that Conservatives will offer a referendum on quitting the EU if the Tories win the next election 鈥 and a , guaranteeing a referendum, is soon to be debated in the Commons.
While Mr Farage may insist Europe isn鈥檛 the only reason for backing 海角视频IP, clearly it鈥檚 an issue many of his supporters care deeply about. So why vote 海角视频IP if the Tories are already offering a referendum?
His answer is simple 鈥 nobody, he says, believes Mr Cameron really will hold a referendum and the Bill making its way through the Commons means nothing, because Parliament could just repeal it after the next election.
鈥淚t鈥檚 utterly irrelevant rubbish,鈥 he says. 鈥淣o Parliament can bind its successor. The legislation isn鈥檛 worth a hill of beans.
鈥淚t鈥檚 merely a method to prop up the fact that nobody believes a word David Cameron says.鈥
海角视频IP has enjoyed significant election success recently, coming second in by-elections in Eastleigh and South Shields.
But this is more than just a protest vote, Mr Farage insists.
鈥淲e have changed the political debate in Britain.
鈥淭he idea we should not be part of the EU is now a respectable mainstream debate. Immigration is now a respectable mainstream debate.
鈥淚n fact, having not talked about it for 30 years they are now all talking about it. There is almost a bidding war going on now between Cameron, Miliband and Clegg for who can be the toughest on immigration. Some of their right wing rhetoric really worries me, I can tell you.鈥
海角视频IP would present the European elections taking place on May 22 as a chance for voters to tell every party leader that they wanted a referendum, he said.
鈥淚 think that it鈥檚 a realistic thing to say that 海角视频IP could win the European elections next year, and that would be an earthquake in British politics.鈥
But perhaps surprisingly, he鈥檚 actually more interested in doing well in the council elections taking place on the same day.
鈥淏ut the clever bit for us next year us not winning the European elections, it鈥檚 the nearly 6,000 seats up at the same day on district council level and unitary level all over the country.鈥
The aim is to win 鈥渕any many hundreds of seats at local government level鈥 鈥 which could provide a springboard to general election success, he said.
鈥淧addy Ashdown proved one thing. Whatever one thinks of Lib Dem politics, Ashdown was a brilliant leaders of the Lib Dems. And they focused on building up by winning by-elections, by building up clusters of district and county council seats.
鈥淎nd once you hold a number of council seats that you鈥檝e won under first-past-the-post at local level, the perception that you are a wasted vote and you can鈥檛 win at Westminster level disappears.鈥
This is the approach he hopes to emulate, he said.
鈥淟ets say, for argument鈥檚 sake, in 2015 we spend our entire resources on 50 or 60 seats We target ruthlessly and we attempt to get unto the House of Commons in significant numbers and who knows, maybe hold the balance of power. So that鈥檚 where I intend to take this thing over the next couple of years.鈥
海角视频IP has been the subject of overtures from Tory MPs including backbenchers Nadine Dorries and Jacob Rees Mogg, as well as Michael Fabricant, the Lichfield MP and vice-chairman of the Conservative Party who .
Mr Farage says he is all for it, as long as the MPs in question are sincere in their euroscepticism, although as he correctly points out, the Tory leadership has already ruled a deal out.
鈥淚t is now legal that one candidate can have the official logo of more than one party.
鈥淣adine says she wants to run at the next election with a Conservative logo and a 海角视频IP logo. Jacob Rees Mogg has more or less said the same thing, Fabricant has more or less said the same thing.
鈥淗ow do I feel about that? Yeah, why not?鈥
But he adds: 鈥淲hile Dave is leader of the Conservative Party, I think all this speculation about deals, frankly I don鈥檛 think it鈥檚 going to happen.鈥
Asked if 海角视频IP would consider simply not putting up candidates against right-wing Tories, he takes umbrage.
Opposing the EU is not right wing, he says, highlighting Labour eurosceptics such as Frank Field and .
鈥淚s Frank Field right wing? Is Gisela Stuart?鈥 He adds: 鈥淭his is nonsense, this idea that being eurosceptic and believing in parliamentary democracy and governing yourself... it is not right wing.鈥
海角视频IP is a 鈥渃lassical liberal party鈥 he says, believing in the free market and opposing state intrusion into people鈥檚 lives.
But he accepts that the party has far more to do to explain what it does believe in, other than quitting the EU.
The 2010 election manifesto, which included proposals such as subsidising private school fees and increasing student grants, was 鈥渁 Horlicks鈥, he admits 鈥 pointing out that he wasn鈥檛 leader of the party at the time.
But asked to set out some of his party鈥檚 policies, he comes up with proposals which were part of the 2010 platform, including creating more grammar schools and upgrading both the East Coast and West Coast Main Lines (to be funded by scrapping HS2).
There鈥檚 鈥渁 lot of work鈥 still to do, he admits.
But if the transition from single-issue party to a real party of government is difficult, it is one he is determined to make.
Nigel Farage isn鈥檛 going to go away and he isn鈥檛 going to be silenced, as he makes clear when we discuss whether 海角视频IP will be allowed to take part in televised debates during the next general election.
鈥淚f they want to exclude us from the debates that鈥檚 fine. I will hold open air public meetings at the same time, on the same night, in those towns and we鈥檒l probably get even more coverage from it.
鈥淭hey can鈥檛 any more brush us under the carpet and think we鈥檙e going to go away, we鈥檙e not.鈥
